Here's a guy who says we never declared war with Iraq.
I disagree with his assertion that we win the declared wars. Well, I guess that depends on what you mean by win. When has this country been attacked when it did not antagonize an assailant? Do you know there wouldn't have even been a war with Germany if Rockefellers had refused to sell any fuel to Germany? But the people who think it's their position in life to pull strings never care where the boodle comes from.
Here's an excerpt from Ron Paul
But I am very interested also in the process that we are pursuing. This is not a resolution to declare war. We know that. This is a resolution that does something much different. This resolution transfers the responsibility, the authority, and the power of the Congress to the President so he can declare war when and if he wants to. He has not even indicated that he wants to go to war or has to go to war; but he will make the full decision, not the Congress, not the people through the Congress of this country in that manner.
Bin Laden didn't mince any words.
He said why
The latest and the greatest of these aggressions,incurred by the Muslims since the death of the Prophet (ALLAH’S BLESSING AND SALUTATIONS ON HIM) is the occupation of the land of the two Holy Places the foundation of the house of Islam, the place of the revelation, the source of the message and the place of the noble Ka’ba, the Qiblah of all Muslims by the armies of the American Crusaders and their allies. (We bemoan this and can only say: “No power and power acquiring except through Allah”).And here's the title
DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST THE AMERICANS
OCCUPYING THE LAND OF THE TWO HOLY PLACES
A Message from Usama bin Muhammad bin Laden unto
his Muslim Brethren all over the world generally,
and in the Arab Peninsula specifically
Have you ever read it? Do you know why he declared war against the USofA? He told us why. Do you think he lied about it? How could you possibly think he lied about it (if that is what you think)?
Have you ever read his letter to America?
While seeking Allah's help, we form our reply based on two questions directed at the Americans:
(Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
Q2)What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?
As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:
(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
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(3) You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake:
(a) This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.
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I don't support it. No one represents me. Why should I support it?
Is he lying? The government of the USofA does these things to its own "citizens," you can certainly imagine they could do it to other peoples.
We never did declare war on him. Some people say we declared war on Iraq. Did "we" go to that amount of detail? I won't excerpt any more from Bin Laden's, but I think he makes it pretty clear. He wants us out of their business. What's wrong with that? I want us out of their business. Do you want us out of their business? What's the cost in dollars and lives for us staying in their business?
So, do you want me to tell you exactly what it means to "win this war?" If you don't, don't read on. If you do. And you dispute my claim. Tell me why I am wrong.
First, think about what it means to you to, "win this war with Iraq".
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To win this war (actually with Bin Laden and whomever swears allegiance to his views) we need to beat on them until they say, "We surrender. Since the reason we declared war was that we wanted you out of our business, I guess the terms of the surrender will be we have to let you get in our business. So, congratulations, you have beaten us into submission. You can establish infrastructure, take resources, stay as long as you like."
What is the likelihood of that? So what is the reason we can't just get out of their business?
